Kleeneze UK

Kleeneze UK was the first network marketing company in the UK (1970 )but was first established in 1923 in Bristol.Will be changing it’s name to European home shopping because of it’s expansion into Europe.For more info go to http://www.kleeneze-hallmark.co.uk

In Kleeneze’s interim report regarding the number of distributors it was stated that “the downward trend experienced over the last 18 months – reversed in the second half of the year such that at the end of April it was 13524 (2004 13397). ”

They currently have 13524 – September 2005. That’s a net increase of 127 distributors since their interim report! Not many distributors to share out there amongst the 13000 – 15000 distributors there are at present!! Kleeneze continue to recruit nearly 2,000 distributors each month, but the activation and then retention rates of distributors year on year has fallen. Using these figures 24000 new distributors are recruited per annum and in 2005 there was an increase of 127. In previous years there had been a decline!! So Kleeneze are moving into Europe – However, the only people who can really afford to be recruiting in Europe are those already earning the high incomes. the potential for the ordinary man or woman to experience success is minimal.

In the interim report it was stated that the number of distributors who ordered regularly fell from 9.6% to 8500 in 2004, in 2003 the number was 9400.

One of the main reasons for new distributors falling off or not placing regular orders is that many do not know what they are supposed to be doing! While it is true that immediate earnings do not always reach the staggering proportions that are spoken of by sponsors or recruiters, this is often due to the new distributor failing to really see the Big Picture and the vast networking potential! Good Leadership is vital- as is a good informal relationship between ‘recruiter’ and ‘recruitee.New distributors will benefit from a business plan structured purely for them considering their wants and capabilities.For individual business programs tailored to each new recruit try going to http://www.kleenezedirect.com

Your website states that Kleeneze are a £200million pound company – I agree with this they do have a turnover in excess of £200million. Yet their net debt on 28th April 2005 was £27million pounds.

There must be a lot of very bad leaders in Kleeneze if it is the case that 24000 new distributors were recruited in one year yet at the end of the year there were only 127 more.

How vast is the networking potential for a new starter when the majority of areas are covered by at least two distributors already & they cannot afford to advertise in Holland or Germany – let alone afford to go out and train a team.

I am not sure how Kleeneze advertisers have escaped the attention of the Advertising Standards Authority. Most of them say, or at least imply, that £1 per door is attained immediately. As someone who knows something about this business, I would put the average for a starter at 65p per door, they usually also fail to state that not all catalogues are retrieved even after 2 attempts and the losses of around 10% will be suffered. This changes a reasonable, theoretical, hourly rate to something very different especially when you consider that they substantially understate the hours required, they usually mention only delivery and pick up time, there is also chasing ’straggler’ catalogues and bagging up the catalogues (very time consuming) and record keeping which is vital. A new starter is lucky to earn £1.20 per hour and this will take months to improve upon

How is one of those 127 newbies going to recruit a large team if there are only going to be another 130 newbies join next year. 20,000 leaving every year is a failure – over 99% of people who join Kleeneze fail. How many people have joined YOUR team since you joined? How many of these are putting orders in week after week? You are building peoples dreams up – but Kleeneze is no longer a viable option. As well as this I have recently been talking to a guy who was in Kleeneze 6 years ago – at that point in time they had over 16000 distributors – compare that to the 13,500 now – well what is happening – Kleeneze as an MLM company is no longer viable for people who join in the UK. Nearly every home gets at least 2 catalogues (a fact which the customer finds annoying). Were you really training new starters – or were you out in Germany building a new team – an option any newbies in this country could not afford. The ones on the Top are getting richer – the ones at the bottom are merely proping them up with very little chance of success.

JOIN KLEENEZE NOW & BE A FAILURE

I have just noticed that in your introductory blurb you said that there are 16000 distributors – the lies start there!!

Kleeneze is built on lies & false promises.

I can only guess that some of the very emotive comments put on this page are from people that have no idea of how to succeed in this business, and that after ignoring facts and training have quit gone into something else with an axe to grind!

I ask you – if you drive your car into a ditch, do you blame the car?
So what are you guys doing now?

Would you care to come and meet a lot of people that HAVE been successful, and maybe pick up some tips on how to do things properly?

John – you’ve quoted me as giving figures that I have not given.! Where are you getting your figures from? It isnt any website that I know of and it doesn’t appear in this thread, except where you write it.

I wonder how qualified you are to even reply here regarding kleeneze. It seems to me that nobody should ask a blind man how to see…..nor someone that has failed in a task how to succeed in it.
What hands on experience have you had exactly? Or is it pure conjecture and made up to vent your opinion?

NB no-one enjoys being classed as a liar – ask a question and you will get a straight and direct answer. This is a Forum not a chat-room.

Isn’t it great that someone makes a negative comment about something and everybody listens to them,not to the positive comments from someone who knows what they are talking about.
Why,when we quote these figures do people say you are telling lies without checking them out properley.
Any Kleeneze distributor will show you proof of earnings if you want.
Addmited not everyone will earn fantastic incomes,because not everyone puts in the same effort,but the incomes are there if you put in the effort.
In Network marketing you can get a raise without asking the boss,just work that bit harder.

As for the comments of Steve on 26th Nov,how many businesses make a profit in the first year never mind a few months.Not many!And most have very high start up costs.
Kleeneze costs £75 not bad for a business that could possibly earn you thousands per month.
For more info (truth not lies )
John http://www.kleeneze-hallmark.co.uk

I’ve just started in the UK as a new distributor and I am very pleased to be able to tell Steve that my average earnings are about £12 an hour. As far as the new Kleeneze distributors just ‘propping up the big people’:
(a)The company is expanding overseas so there is plenty of time left to become one of the high earners. All this rubish about new people being unable to afford a recruitment campain in Germany is completely untrue, newspaper adverts don’t cost any more over there than over here.
(b)Even if I’m doomed to not be one of the kleeneze high earners so what! I’m an eighteen year old kid with enough money to get by, that’s more than most could say.

Hi read with intrest the comments made. My PERSONAL experience is that Kleenze works when I work it. As someone else said, Kleenze works people dont. If I do not work I do not get the rewards and will become another failed distributor. If I do work I will get rewarded, simple ep £465.00 for 20 hoursa week. Works for me

How do distributors pay tax on their earnings? sorry if this is the wrong place to ask….

Kleeneze works if you do.

Sure, people leave, but anybody who knows anything about the network marketing industry will know that you have to keep on sowing to reap (Jim Rohn). It’s ANY network marketing company, not just Kleeneze.

Yes there is often more than one distributor in an area. So what. There’s more than one newsagent or estate agent or supermarket too.

If you want to earn a lot of money, but don’t want to put in the effort, then Kleeneze is not for you. If you are prepared to work hard and follow a proven system when you join Kleeneze, you will succeed.

Visit http://www.kleeneze-lifestyle.com and we’ll show you how.

I RE-JOINED KLEENEZE AFTER A SIX YEAR BREAK AND HAVE BEEN BACK FOR 7 MONTHS. MY ADVISE TO ANYONE THINKING OF BECOMING A SELF EMPLOYED KLEENEZE DISTRIBUTOR IS TO GET TO KNOW YOUR SPONSOR BEFORE YOU SIGN WITH THEM. ON MY SECOND TIME WITH KLEENEZE I HAVE JOINED AN AMAZING TEAM OF PEOPLE AND THE SUPPORT I HAVE HAD FROM DAY ONE HAS BEEN SO DIFFERENT TO MY PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE, AND I FEEL THIS IS A VITAL PART IF YOU ARE GOING TO BUILD AND BECOME SUCCESSFUL. IF WHEN YOU MEET YOUR POTENTIAL SPONSOR, YOU DO NOT BOND, DO NOT LET THIS PUT YOU OFF THE KLEENEZE OPPORTUNITY AS THERE ARE MANY DISTRIBUTORS OUT THERE WHOM YOU WILL BOND. I MYSELF LIKE TO GET TO KNOW THE PEOPLE WHOM WISH TO JOIN OUR TEAM BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY SIGN, WE NEED TO SEE THESE PEOPLE CAN SHOW US THAT THEY ARE WORTHY OUR TIME AND EFFORT, AFTER ALL WE KNOW THIS BUSINESS WORKS. SOME PEOPLE WILL JOIN ONLY WANTING TO TOP UP THIER INCOME, WHERE OTHERS WILL SEE THAT THE KLEENEZE OPPORTUNITY CAN IMPROVE LIFE 4 LIFE……IT DOES TAKE HARD EFFORTS IN THE EARLY DAYS, BUT AS WITH ANY JOB OR SELF EMPLOYED BUSINESS, LIFE IS NOT HANDED TO YOU ON A PLATE, YOU HAVE TO WORK. WE ARE NOT IN THIS BUSINESS JUST TO COLLECT SIGNATURES, WE ARE IN THIS BUSINESS TO BUILD A TEAM OF PEOPLE WHO WANT THE SAME AS US IN LIFE, WE ARE IN CONTROL OF OUR INCOME, WE ARE IN CONTROL OF OUR LIVES.
PEOPLE WHO GIVE NEGATIVE RESPONSE ABOUT KLEENEZE DID NOT WORK HARD ENOUGH, THEY CRUMBLED WHEN THEY CAME ACROSS HURDLES, THEY ARE QUITTERS…. WELL SOCIETY NEEDS THESE QUITTERS FOR THE TYPICAL 9-5 JOBS, HOPE YOU HAVE A GOOD LIFE… WE KNOW WE WILL.
KLEENEZE AS A COMPANY KNOW THAT WHEN EFFORT IS APPLIED THE DISTRIBUTOR CAN NOT LOSE, WHICH IS WHY THE COMPANY OFFER THE FULL MONEY BACK GUARRENTEE (excuse spelling it is nearly 1am), KLEENEZE REWARD EFFORTS WITH BONUS LEVELS,HOLIDAY INCENTIVES AND RECOGNITION.

I WOULD CHALLANGE ANY OF THE KLEENEZE QUITTERS TO INTRODUCE ME TO ANOTHER MLM BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY WITH THE SAME STANDARDS AND REWARDS? I REST MY CASE, THERE IS NO BETTER BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY.

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Hi Wendy.
You are spot on with what you say.Can any of these sceptics name another business ( and prove it )that you don’t have to work at to earn big incomes.
KLEENEZE is a fantastic business opportunity.
As you say with the expansion into Europe the busness will get even better in the next few years.
To All you existing distributors.
Plan your work,and work your plan.

Danny – I got the 16000 distributors from the top of this website. I all of the other figures from Kleeneze’s very own intrim report.

These figures have got to be correct as these are the figures that Kleeneze release to the stock market & their shareholders. I would take Kleeneze’s word for it far above your word.

Dave – You never see two tescos next door to each other – or two finlays newsagents – i am talking about the same company competing with itself.

Renzo – its one thing been an 18 year kid with “enough to get by” – wait till you have a mortgage, kids etc – then try & “get by” on £400 a month. How many people have you got lined up in Germany to date – I have heard that many of the top earners are getting quite big teams lined up.

John – when I was a gold distributor & had an income cheque of £1200 for the month I could not sleep at night – that wasn’t my income – I had to take money for catalogues off that, newspaper ads, shop ads, printing costs, petrol (this was very high when you take into consideration all the meetings I went to & going to meet leads – as well as the retail). You asked about other biz opportunities – I haven’t bothered with another biz op – I have gone out got a well paid job & am investing my money in a range of gilts, stocks, shares etc – my residual income is now building to be a genuine residual income – one which I will not have to do any work in order to recieve it – unlike Kleeneze supposed residual income – which does require some level of continued work – no retirement in Oz that way.

Wendy would be interested to hear how many people you have in your team after 7 months & how many have left. Also what you income now is.

Danny – if I drove a car into a ditch & the mechanic hadn’t set it up right – I would blame the mechanic

For those who asked if I would like to goto a meeting to see how to do it properly – no thanks – already wasted far to many hours going to silly Kleeneze meetings.

The money that Kleeneze spends on the holidays, cars would be better spent on rewarding those further down the payplan – that way more people would stick it – instead of losing money buying catalogues etc – Apparently Kleeneze actually make a profit on the catalogues – might buy some shares in Kleeneze – but then their share price has been dropping

Could everyone please answer the following questions

1 How many people have signed up into your team since you first joined Kleeneze?

2 How many of these are putting orders in on a regular basis?

Wendy why does it have to be a MLM business – if you invest money in the right places your money will work for you – it doesn’t have to be MLM. Why do some Kleeneze reps think that MLM is the only way possible to make money?

Wendy, its rude to shout

in answer to Just wondering – Every Kleeneze distributor I have ever met (which is a lot) are all registered as self employed & they pay their tax like any other self employed person.

There was some confusion I understand about the Dutch tax system & somebody questioned if Kleeneze were breaking the law over there. Not sure what the result was but I am sure that Kleeneze will NOT have broken the law – they may be many things but they are NOT stupid.

Wow, I was only trying to set of a light debate – no need to have a heart attack John (Jackson).

All points taken – I won’t be joining Kleeneze – will probably go for something a bit fresher – I have a couple of ideas for my own business rather than working in MLM.

I do reckon that their will be loads of entrepenures who disagree with Wendy that there is no better business opportunity. Wonder if Bill Gates would go back & not bother with Microsoft & join Kleeneze instead if he could go back in time. Or Al-Fayad not bother with Harrods. Or the guy who invented the Rubix Cube.. the list could go on for ever of business opportunites which surpass almost all MLM companies. Even Jan Rhue makes most of her money from writing books & doing guest appearences.

Hi Guys,

Quite a debate going on here about Kleeneze. I used to do it until very recently. It is very, very tough – the majority of the people I recruited all dropped out for the same reason – other distributors going to their customers.

I agree with what John said when he said “You never see two tescos next door to each other – or two finlays newsagents”. Thats right – you never here about two tesco’s trying to compete & out do each other whilst fighting for the same customers.

I gave Kleeneze a really good go – I spent about 15 hours a week doing sponsoring activity & another 10 hours doing retail. In the end I made it to Gold but then it all came crashing down. Many other people I knew were in the same postion as me. I reckon that I wasted far to much of my life doing Kleeneze – I now have less money – but my time is my own to spend with my family – this makes me feel much richer.

Mark

Ah, so you got in before all the areas became overcrowded. You were lucky.

Sorry there was a comment above my last one in which somebody informed us that they had been with Kleeneze for 12 years – they must have decided not to take part in the debate

I have recently spoken to someone in a company called Everyday Essentials & I reckon that they would be a great company to join right now. They don’t have much of the UK covered & each distributor gets their own area. The main trouble is that they are unheard of so I reckon that there will be a lot of work to do introducing the catalogue – but then with Kleeneze you keep getting told that there is lots of work to do.

On the postive side the person I spoke to informed me that the active distributor base had grown by 300% in the last year so there should be good team building opportunities. The website of the person I spoke to can be found at http://www.earnwithloz.co.uk.

P.S I personally decided not to join as I really don’t want to do another catalogue MLM business

I personally spoke to 8 Everyday essentials guys for the purpose of cross pitching them.
3 that I spoke to admitted to having involvement with Kleeneze before. I questioned them about the many competitors that they have for their products and one told me that he was considering jumping ship again to telecoms warehouse! Niether of the other two offered me more than ” well, I’m doing OK ” and certainly would not provide evidence to show that they were earning any real money nor even doing better than when they were with Kleeneze! I wonder – are there really a lot of people out there that think just because they start the race , that they will finish it? Should they start the race and fail – do they blame the track conditions and keep going to a new venue to race?
As was said near the beginning of this discusion, do the new entrants really understand their businesses when they start out? Do they expect that effort alone will see them succeed?
Winning the mile long race – is a lot more involved than just running for a mile.
You know its been said that it doesn’t matter what you sell – but how you sell it that determines long term profits. Anyone in the know will understand that its a lot more than just price and quality that keeps customers happy- once youve found the vital thing that others cannot provide….then the competition simply doesn’t exist.
All you guys bitching over who has the best business is appaulling, each of you transferring Your responsibility for Your lack of success.tut tut!

Come on guys, are we networking men – or avon ladies? (No offence to avon ladies intended)

Hi guys

Seems like quite a debate has been going on these past few months.

Up front – I am a Kleeneze distributor and I have a small team. Actually I’ve only ever signed four people in and two of them stuck and put orders in pretty much every week.

I joined to make a bit of extra cash – it happened for me, and the others who’ve stuck did so for the same reason.

Too many people join Kleeneze thinking it is a get rich, easy money, type of scheme. It isn’t and when they discover that to be in business is NOT an easy thing to do, they give up.

Like being a window cleaner – there will be more than one in any area. Actually we have four different cleaners regularly advertise in our road. A new one starts up and has to find his customers in order to make money. It’s the same when you start up in any business. If you have no competition there is probably a reason – no one wants what you are providing. The difference with Kleeneze is the fact it is affordable to start with, and you get to try it out for 14 days at no financial risk to yourself. If it doesn’t suit you in those 14 days, quit and get your money back.

Don’t think you will make big money quickly – unless you can get a ton of friends and colleagues to join you quickly – you won’t. But, if you follow a system and work it, over a period of some months you can achieve a moderate income PROVIDED you WORK and don’t just fritter the days away waiting for a miracle to happen!

I like Kleeneze because I am my own boss. If I want more cash I just do more work. Sure I come across other distributors just as they come across me. It happens in any business.

Anyone interested in following the system I do, please visit my website at http://www.dash4income.co.uk
or, if you are in Germany
http://www.deutschland-kleeneze.com

I know many people fail at this and it causes a lot of anger when they do but a number of people DO succeed and have done so for the past 80 or so years.

Perhaps each of us would do well to look at why we succeed or fail and we would all learn something useful.

Danny

Could you provide me with evidence of what you earn. I’m not talking about your income cheque, I’m talking about what you earn once you have taken off all your expenses. I want hard evidenece – showing all of your income & expenses – not just some silly income cheque which takes NO ACCOUNT of expenses. I invest in a few business these days & would never invest in anything without a full look at the accounts. Too many people are sucked into Kleeneze by the sight of big 4 or 5 figure income cheques which don’t show the real net profit of these ‘top earners’.

Some of the things which the big earners fail to mention when sponsoring.

They have to take 17.5% VAT off their income cheque.
They have to pay 22% tax (many pay more than this). As well as this there are all the other expenses of running the business, they charge just for putting orders in over the internet – you have to buy catalogues (which Kleeneze make a profit from). They will also normally only show their largest income cheque – this is often not the norm.

Also Danny – why do the entrants not understand the race? Because Kleeneze distributors purposefully don’t tell them everything that is involved as they just want to get people into the team. It may not be that they lie – they just fail to tell the way it is. Why else do Kleeneze have such a high failure rate? I don’t know the figures for other companies & to be honest don’t really care.

I’m pleased you used a running analogy as I used to run for my county & there were certain races I used to avoid – if it was a X-country with lots of nasty jumps I would not do it in order to avoid injury. Bit like I would avoid Kleeneze.

As for people bitching about who has the best business I can only see one guy mentioning another MLM business & he said he wouldn’t join it – god thats real bitching!!

I would like to see a Kleeneze distributor being honest enough to say to a prospect “by the way, Kleeneze start 24,000 new distributors per year. By the end of the year only 127 of them will still be in the business. Its going to be your job to make a business with these figures”.

You have just exploded one of the other lies told by many Kleeneze distributors. That there is no selling involved. I quote you here “it doesn’t matter what you sell – but how you sell it.”

Stuart
Why do Kleeneze loose over 99% of new starters? The vast majority complain about the competition from other distributors – this is the one big complaint I have heard again & again from disgruntled Kleeneze distributors – so it obviously does have an effect & is a very important part of the business.Kleeneze already have competition – from the pound shop, from betteware & now from this new crowd – why add to it by competing with yourself?

I would like to add that you should change it to – don’t think you can earn big money.

WOW 14 days to try out a new business!!! – I bet you can really learn the ropes in that time. Esp as you have just said it takes time to build the business.

You say that the start up fee is not very large. Tell me if someone stole £75 from you would you report it or would you think – oh well its not very much money easy come easy go.

Hi people,

I’m enjoying reading the debate about the Kleeneze opp pros and cons.

I happen to be a distributor myself with this being my second attempt at the business. I first came across the business when I was 18 years of age after becoming very disenchanted with the whole previous job scene but I had developed an amazing work ethic as I had previously been a supervisor of a large Argos warehouse which was a very miserable experience really. Within my first week I had discovered there was nearly 4-5 other distributors in my area. One for instance, and a quite established distributor, lived in the same road. I put my books out twice and received no orders. With sincere determination by the end of my first week I, despite the other distributors in my area, I had generated of £1000 worth of retail, did I forget to mention the fact that I was completely on foot? This business is not a get rich quick scheme nor is it for the faint hearted. As an 18 year old I had put many other distributors and failures of the stupidly simple retail operation to complete shame. I had amazing support and honesty from my up-lines they have helped me no end. By the end of another eight weeks I had 5 downlines in my team.

However what I demonstrated as an 18 year old was that my desire and my work ethic clearly surpassed my downlines efforts. They all gave up after a week due to, and only to PURE LAZINESS!!!!!!

I left the organisation foolishly as I was disheartened. I got back into work but in a worse mood then before. I regret the day I gave up and fumbled around for a further three years to which the conventional J.O.B world destroyed my personality and lead on to an early aged depression.

I have rejoined Kleeneze since October 2005 around my college hours studing music. Within the first weekend I made all the money back I had spent on getting started, actually it was in 6-8 hr amount of effort with established distributors around me. Since October I HAVE GRAFTED HARD AT THE business, my uplines were completely honest that I would have to put in a lot of effort. I’ve had an amazing Christmas – but it doesn’t feel as though I’ve been at work and now my team is increasing in numbers – I figured if there are people like me in the world who are willing to work regardless, then I will be able to find more. I’ve already found someone more enthusiastic then me about the business. I love the fact that you do have to put loads of effort, time and organisation into the business as a test of worth. If there is a will then there is definitely a way. I’m just prepared to work hard for the rewards but that is the real test; you have to be worth the benefits of this business.

As regards to investments we have a great sponsor who buys us all the materials and who is committed in making sure we succeed which I then pass on to my downlines.

I hope this opportunity persists into turning into a success as I am already looking to sponsor in Europe, its not too difficult when you put your mind to it plus I’m already intent on learning their languages to be able to communicate and build teams in neighbouring countries.

I also read intuitively on investments, real estate, shares, stocks, bonds and such like so I will be able to create money and make money work for me in the future. Then I won’t have to carry catalogues around – which I actually quite enjoy doing however, getting out and servicing friendly customers happy to put money in my pocket so I can pull through college. I would have never actually came across such financial learning if it wasn’t for my KLEENEZE uplines, not from my college or schools where I’ve already spent the majority of my life so far. I have also been introduced to amazing personality books and tapes which has improved my mental well being no end – introduced to by KLEENEZE DISTRIBUTORS, EX-AREA MANAGER, EX FACTORY MANAGER, EX-CHARTERED ACCOUNTANT, EX-CHILD PSYCHIATRIST, EX TEACHERS, EX POSTMEN………….

If Kleeneze fails then I will still cherish it, for the company and their distributors have opened up whole new chapters for the pioneering marketing empires I now want to build!

ONLY WITH GRAFT CAN YOU ACHIEVE RESULTS WITH KLEENEZE THAT IS THE REAL TEST OF WHETHER YOU ARE WORTHY. If you believe you are then you better contact me because I WILL NOT QUIT AGAIN its already have a massively positive impact on my life at the age of 21 and I know this company will go from strength to strength because of people like me involved.

Omniscient@Hotmail.co.uk

It has just come to my attention that a member of Claire & Peter Rea’s team has struck a deal with Kleeneze. The deal is that each new distributor that the person signs up gets 100 extra free catalogues. These are paid for by Kleeneze – not the distributor. Its no wonder Peter & Claire Rea are doing so well if their team members get this sort of preferential treatment.

I am most upset – how am I supposed to compete with this – I can’t afford to pay for extra catalogues & Kleeneze don’t subsidise any of my new starters. Apparently the agreement was reached with non other than Kim Rawson.

This is the end for me – I’m gonna quit Kleeneze – it really does take the biscuit.

i want to add that this is hearsay (i’m 100% it is true) – any but kleeneze distributor who see’s this should contact HQ to find out if its true or not.

Everyday essentials was started by an X kleeneze distributor…. Have you compared the one catalogue they have and the prices……Kleeneze have NO WORRIES.
Allan and I have now been with Kleeneze 10mths and we have a wonderful team now of 5 people all of whom are working and making money. We as thier sponsors work with them and are activley sponsoring as we want our team to grow depth now as well as width, this will then generate higher incomes for the people we have sponsored. KLEENEZE IS NOT ABOUT JUST MAKING MONEY 4 YOURSELF, IT IS ABOUT WORKING AS A TEAM SO WE ALL MAKE MONEY. THE GUY WHO KEEPS TRYING TO DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM JOINING KLEENEZ NEEDS TO GET A LIFE. IF YOU ARE AN X KLEENEZE DISTRIBUTOR WHO MADE NO MONEY, THEN YOU DID NOT WORK, YOU DID NOT FOLLOW ADVISE, AND YOU CAN NOT HAVE LOOKED AFTER YOUR CUSTOMERS…..IF AT ALL YOU HAD ANY.

AS FOR ‘SHOUTING’, WITH KLEENEZE I HAVE EVERYTHING TO SHOUT ABOUT. Our income equates to an average of £29.00 per hour and we have plenty of time at home.

We are going to Germany in July, so it is not just ‘high flyers’ who can make it in this business.

As for the comment about kleeneze giving more to them ‘at the bottom’ instead of cars and holidays…… Kleeneze has a very fare structure with regards bonus, holidays and cars, I suppose you who made the comment are one that thinks you can sit on your butt and have things handed to you on a plate ?…GET REAL.

In 10mths, Kleeneze has enabled Allan and I to have a new kitchen and we have bought our eldest daughter a little car as she is learning to drive …. Our daughter is 17 years old and has stated that as soon as she is 18yrs she will be signing for her own distributor ship….she has seen it work for us and she wants the same… no 9 to 5 for her with hassle and average wages.

As for the coment about Kleeneze giving free catalogue to team members who sponsor new distributors….if you are a kleeneze distributor you should check your facts on the kleeneze website…..kleeneze offer NEW DISTRIBUTORS A FREE BOX OF CATALOGUE not the sponsor and these free catalogues are given/paid for by the company for reaching a small and very easily achieved target within thier first 4 weeks. Kleeneze also give free gifts to all distributors from time to time.
IF YOU WANT TO QUIT OVER A RUMOUR THEN YOU SHOULDNT BE IN THE BUSINESS IN THE FIRST PLACE. YOU OF ALL PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS TO THIS INFORMATION ONLINE. AND TAKE YOUR OWN ADVISE AND CALL HQ YOURSELF.

I must say I agree with the comments made about Kleeneze. To succeed with Kleeneze you have to become a lemming. Do this do that just as your sponsor has. My experience of this is that it doesn’t work. We are told not to mention that it is Kleeneze as this puts people off. I have been to a meeting and I couldn’t believe my eyes or ears of how narrow minded and easily pleased people are. If you are the kind of person that can think outside the box then it will be hardwork and you will probably not succeed. The only people that get rich are the people that are very, very fortunate, been in the business for years and years, or are very good liars. I am sure double glazing salesmen and dodgy used car dealers are the kind that will succeed. Very few make real big money or enough to replace their current income in a short period of time. The above is all facted, I have been involved in Kleeneze for 9 months and I don’t beleive in it. I carry on with it because where I am there is very little else to do. Email me creativesod@aol.com if you reckon I am talking rubbish and I am sure you will fit into the catagory of lemming and like a stick of rock if we snap you preachers in half you will read Kleeneze MLM works buy my book.LOL

I have been involved in Kleeneze for 2 1/2 years now and have reached the level of Senior distributor. We are likely to be Bronze Exec by the Summer, as we have a second leg already at 21%. We and one of our team have just qualified for an all expenses trip to Budapest in June which is worth over £2,000 per person. We are also on target to win a week in Mauritius next year worth over £5,000 per person. Our monthly income is around £1,400 per month, of which we put back into the business around £400 per month, to cover advertising, fuel costs and catalogues etc. The great thing is we have a residual income of around £800 per month even if we don’t do anything at all, but continue to work hard at building our business furthur. In our first full year in Kleeneze we turned over £60,000 of business. In our second year it was £130,000 and this year we are on target to turn over £1/4 Million of business. As long as we continue to have growth year on year, we know our income is going to continue to grow.
Yes we have had a lot of people quit, but we also have many people that stay. You only need 5 key people linked directly to you to make this business work and teach those 5 to find 5 of their own, and so on. Where people fail is they give up before they have found some good people. You have to go through the numbers to find them. It doesn’t take a special person to make it in Kleeneze, it just takes a special effort. At the end of the day, it isn’t Kleeneze that doesn’t work, it’s people that won’t work.

So Gary,

You are telling me you only earn £800 on a £130K business per month? Take off the vat tax and ni? If you think thats good money just because they give you a holiday where you have to go with people you don’t know good? Not exactly the big money is it bearing in mind the holiday is infact a perk that should also be taxed

At the end of the day Paul, we receive a RESIDUAL INCOME of £800 per month even if we do nothing, after working for only 2 1/2 years , which will continue to grow month by month. By the end of the year we will have reached the Bronze Executive level and receiving a RESIDUAL INCOME of around £1,200 plus the £600 per month we make on our own retail. Do you realise how much you would have to invest into a personal pension scheme to give you a £800 – £1,200 per month pension after only 2 1/2 years? What you need to get into that very small narrow minded brain of yours is we are doing no more work now than we were 2 1/2 years ago when we first started and earning only £200 per month, but our income continues to grow as our business expands. We will always earn the same amount per month on our own retail, but our RESIDUAL INCOME will continue to grow in proportion to the growth of our team.
Would you like to tell me what other opportunity can give the ordinary working man/woman, £200 per week even if they don’t work after only 2 1/2 years?
Yes our business turned over £130K last year, and about £50,000 was paid back to the team, my cut was about £17,000, and the other £33,000 was distributed throughout the rest of the team! I have people in my team that were in financial ruin 6 months ago and are now earning in excess of £1,000 per month working part time hours. I also have people in my team that have been involved longer and earning very little. The ones that follow the system, listen and act on the advice, and put in the work succeed. The ones that think they know it all, don’t follow the advice, and don’t put in the work are the ones that fail and rubbish the opportunity. It doesn’t take a genius to work out which one you are!
My advice to you Paul is to quit Kleeneze now, today, and get a job working for someone else. You will never make it in Kleeneze or any kind of business, you haven’t got what it takes to succeed. So stop wasting your time and your Sponsors, (But with an attitude like yours he probably keeps his distance anyway, I know I would).

Gary

Gary,

Thanks for your kind comments. You still missed the point that you have quoted your REAL income. I have a residual income from my other business that gives me far in excess of yours AFTER tax. As for your advice keep it for your army of LEMMINGS as I never asked for it. As for a pension scheme beleive me I make more money out of property development so I would not have a pension. Just a stock of housing that gives me my residual income. When you see the wood for the trees and that your entire life is based around one concept and someone cuts down that tree. You will be sitting with no residual income. Go and preach to the masses reverend Kleenze

As for incomes from it Gary what is you average retail per book? Ours is £7.50 far in excess of what the average is of only £1. If all I got was an average of only £3 it would not be worth it let alone the companies stated average. People can buy most of the products at below catalogue price. Sometimes as much as 50% less. People have grown wise to Kleeneze in the UK thats why it will disappear and why it has had to expand into Europe to find more Lemmings. Funny how its Shopping Channel is still running at a loss? How most of the products available on the channel are not available in its catalogues? The only business I know that charges £7.50 per month to place orders online. Internet ordering with every other supplier I have dealings with don’t charge for it. Another Kleenze stealth tax. They should make the directors (Fat controller & Mr Mullett) honoury members of the Labour Party. LOL

Still waiting for you to quote your earnings after all tax, expences and vat

Wow, you get an average of £7.50 retail per book and you are still complaining, there is no pleasing some people. May I ask how many books you are putting out to generate that average? I could put out one book per week to customers that order every time a minimum of £10. Guess what? that would give me an average of £10 per book, but wouldn’t make me much income on my retail, or set a good example to my team.
Is it the concept of Network Marketing you are against or is it just Kleeneze, or is it just hard work you are afraid of.
Network Marketing is a very successful businees concept that is used by hundreds of thousands of companies worldwide.
Kleeneze is a very successful British company trading for the last 83 years, and is now expanding into mainland Europe, giving massive potential to those involved.
If you are so successful in property development and making so much money, I am amazed you would persist with your Kleeneze business, given your negative attitude, and lack of belief in the company (I think you are not being honest about your property development business Paul!).
The facts are people buy from the catalogue, despite being able to get the goods cheaper elsewhere. I have personaly generated over £2,500 of orders this month, which will make me over £900 on my retail alone (without the residual income from my team). Yes we have running costs and start up costs, the same as any business, but the difference being in Kleeneze you can make back your initial investment in your first month in business, and start to see a real profit in your second month. I hope your property development business takes off, and you can then afford to give up doing Kleeneze, which you hate so much.
May I remind you of your comments on April 10th? “I carry on with it, because where I am there is little else to do!” So much for a successful property developer.
As for how much tax I pay, let’s just say I have a very good Accountant that makes sure I pay as little tax as possible, so I can enjoy the fruits of my labour.
Kleeneze does not work for everyone Paul, I will give you that one. It is not because Kleeneze doesn’t work, there are too many people making a success of it, It is all down to peoples desire to succeed, willingness to learn, and willingness to put in some hard work which won’t show instant results, many people quit before pay day, which is a shame. You may call us lemmings, but that’s ok, I will just go out there and find lot’s more lemmings to help make money, and I will become a very rich lemming. Better a rich lemming than a poor so called property developer that has to do something he hates to supplement his income!
At the end of the day, I will back Kleeneze all the way, because it is working for me. If it isn’t working for you, then stop looking to point the finger of blame for your failure, and start looking a little closer to home Paul. You are the reason for your failure, not Kleeneze.

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Hi,
So do you get a residual income – even if you never ever put a catalogue out or recruit another person? So say I earn £1000 a month – I can then stop doing any work what-so-ever & as long as my team stays in place I will keep getting paid?

Hi John, If you looking for an income without having to work, then Kleeneze isn’t for you! Kleeneze does give you an income even if you don’t retail or recruit, but you have to put a lot of work in first to get to that stage.
The key to the success in Kleeneze is duplication, so I always lead by example. I would never expect anyone in my team to do anything I wouldn’t be prepared to do myself. If my team saw me getting an income for not retailing or recruiting, then they would do the same, no product would move and nobody would earn anything. Once you have built your business to resonable size, and you have around 5 good leaders in place, then you can reduce your retail or even stop it all together if you wish. The great thing is even after a short period you can take some time out, without the fear of asking a boss, and knowing you are still going to get paid.
All kleeneze distributors earn 21% on their own personal retail and a monthly bonus on the total retail generated by themselves and their team. The more people in your team, the bigger the monthly bonus. This is where the residual income comes from. I have around 25 distributors in my team generating around £20,000 of orders every 4 weeks, of which £2,000 is my own retail. even if I took a month off, I would still get a bonus on £18,000 of orders. Kleeneze is a fantastic opportunity, and if you are prepared to work hard for 4-5 years you can have a fantastic residual income without retailing or recruiting. If you would like to find out more John, or talk to me in person you can contact me on 0114 238 9184 (24hrs)

Gary

Gary,

I live in a remote area where between property developing down south we drop a few catalogues. Do you own your own property yet? Or are you still dreaming about the Ferrari you might one day be given by Kleeneze. You still will not disclose you real income after tax or a real hourly rate. You write the same lemming rubbish that you have been taught by your upline and expect people with a brain not to question. As for earning £900 from £2500 personal retail you are wrong 21% of £2500 is (£525) + your bonus of another 8% (£200) this makes a total of £725 not £900 so like most Kleeneze Distributors your maths is pretty poor. Even if you add vat to it it still doesn’t make £900 LOL.

So stop quoting from your books and copying your upline use your brain lemming, and look elswhere to earn a real income like I do. Kleeneze is a success for some people due to being in the right place right time and nothing to do with how much hard work you put in. You don’t see the other MLM companies trying to boast that you can win a car ,be really rich, etc. Keep your head firmly buried up your sponsors arse and I am sure everything will be just Rosie for you.

Hi there Paul, It is becoming more and more clear that you don’t understand how the kleeneze pay plan works and you don’t have the slightest idea what you are talking about, but that doesn’t surprise me as you probably talk more than you listen. You have one mouth and two ears, so use them in proportion.
As a distributor with a PSG of over 7,500 BP I earn 24% spv on my own personal retail, which equates to approx 16% cash bonus (not 8%). Hence £2,500 earns me £525 (21% of £2,500) plus 24% SPV bonus of £383 giving a total of £908, I have an A level in maths if you must know, so maths is no problem to me! I do own my own property, drive an Audi TT, holiday abroad once a year, (Twice this year, as we are being treated to a 5 star weekend in Budapest stopping at the Hilton, all at the expense of Kleeneze, as well as taking our annual holiday in Turkey). As for my income after tax, it isn’t much different from my income before tax, as many things are tax deductable. The payments on my Audi TT, petrol, insurance, maintenance etc, 1/6th of my household bills, clothes, business lunches, my mobile bill, trips to Europe etc. Why pay the tax man more than I have to? Like I said my accountant makes sure I am still left the majority of the income I earn. We all have to pay tax Paul, but no way near the amount you have to pay under PAYE. I make money by helping other people make money, if my team are not making money, then neither am I. So guess what? I help my team make money, and make money in return. The ones that listen and take the advice succeed and the ones that don’t fail! It’s as simple as that.
Get out of Kleeneze now Paul, I totally agree with you! You will never make any money at it, so stop wasting your time and go and do something else, you haven’t got what it takes to succeed. I have had maney people in my team like you, and they all not only wasted their time but mine also.
I am tiring of you now Paul. Unless you have something new to say please keep quiet! Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Hi Gary,
The main thing I am trying to work out is the level of activity you need to be doing in order to recieve the ‘residual income’. I do quite a lot of travelling – would I be able to go traveling for a year & still have an income. Obviously it may take me 3-5 years to build a team to get to the point where I have a residual income.

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Hi there John,
Coming back to you on your question about residual income. You will need to put a lot of hard work in during the early years in your business, looking for some key people who are wanting the same as you and prepared to put in the same amount of activity.
To go all the way to the top you only need 5 leaders linked directly to yourself, who each need to find 5 leaders of their own and so on. The thing is John you will need to find many people before you identify your leaders. About 80-90% of people who join either only want to earn around £50 per week or quit when the going gets tough. So you see John it’s just a numbers game, but when you find a good one, you know all the hard work is worthwhile.
If you put in 3-5 years hard work into your Kleeneze business, you should have identified 5 key people who will be out there recruiting like crazy to find their own 5 key people. Once you are at this stage you can take a year off without having to do any activity at all and continue to receive a residual income. All kleeneze ask, is you place at least one order every 3 months to remain active. So every 3 months you just order a little something for yourself. To give you some idea of the kind of residual income you can expect per 4 week period, 1 leader providing 10k of turnover would give you about £1,000, 2 would give you £2,000, 3 would give you £3,000, 4 would give you £4,000 and 5 would give you £5,000.
Of course by the time you have found your 5th leader, your first would more than likely have found a few of his own and be providing you with more than £1,000. So the key to a long term residual income is to work hard for 3-5 years, then you can spend the rest of your life enjoying the fruits of your labour.
I am constantly looking for potential leaders to work with and coach. I have 2 leaders at the moment who are doing very well and only need 3 more. If you are interested John, give me a ring and leave your details, I will be in touch.
Gary

Hi Gary,

Keep up the good work. Kleeneze Works,,FACT.My income from Kleeneze for the last 3 years has been over £90k(audited accounts are shown to anyone who is considering joining our team,we paid £2,300 tax last year, we have a very good accountant who charges us £400 per year, we actually claim back all our vat paid out(petrol bills etc) and the company pay the vat on the goods we buy from Kleeneze.). We have also had over £26,000 of free holidays from the company too. I have not had a job or another income other than Kleeneze since 1st May 2000. If this business doesn’t work, how am I paying my bills? My true residual income is over £2,000 per month all due to the fact that over the years we have helped other people to develop their teams too. I could walk away from Kleeneze today and still enjoy that income. Only lazy people don’t make money with Kleeneze, I should know I have recruited a few! Our business has now spilled over into Germany and is starting to grow nicely. I personally have not had to do anything to achieve this, it has come from a UK team member who has a large family in Germany,which proves you don’t have to be a top earner to have a team in Germany. As I said before, Kleeneze works… Fact. p.s. Gary you said that 3 Key leaders will give you around £3,000 per month. Funnily enough thats what we have (we are at silver exec level)and our cheques at the moment are running at around £3k per month!!)Kleeneze works for those who are willing to work it!! however not everyone is willing.

I think everyone has different views on Kleeneze. At the end of the day, there are those who will do Kleeneze and those who won’t. I never try and persuade someone to join – I put the facts in front of them and let them make the decision for themselves.

So is all this work done in the 10-15 hours per week – these are the figures that some1 has mentioned 2 me in the past – or do you need to do more than 10 hours a week in order to be successful?

Hi John,

Obviously the more hours you put in the faster your business will grow, but 10 – 15 hours is fine. Thats what we put in when we started and is still what we put in today. Visit our website http://www.makelifemagic.net to see a typical plan. The main thing to do is to make sure you are consistant with your efforts.

Hi there John,

Coming back to you on the number of hours you need to put into Kleeneze.
It’s not the hours you put in, but what you put into the hours you work.
The key is to work out how many hours you have available to build your business, and work these hours effectively.
As long as you balance your efforts between retailing and sponsoring you will succeed, the only difference putting in more hours will make is your business will grow at a faster rate. Many people have built their Kleeneze business just working 10-15 hours part time.

Gary

Hi Gary,

I like what you say…”It’s not the hours you put in, but what you put into the hours you work.” Spot on! I make out a “to do” list each night and try my best to carry it out the next day. John, Gary obviously knows how this business works, he would make a good sponsor if you decide to join Kleeneze.

Chris.

just got back from Budapest, well actually got back last Sunday evening… 4th June…

It was fabulous…

well worth the hard graft…

Pays off to be pesisstant and consistant.
Been in Kleeneze now since March 2004…

1st cheque was 232

Highest 2724.. Gold with high personal retail…

Average cheque 1800+

Yes this is a business… Yes you do have to buy catalogues… Taxi driver has to put petrol in his cab…. Hairdresser has to buy scissors and colourants…
A restaurant has to buy in fresh produce all the time…
All business has outgoings, it’s how you manage them..

We are lucky to have such a great upline.. They have been with us and supprting us and they are literally at the end of a phoneline…

If it isn’t right for you, then don’t do it…

My highlight of Budapest… seeing Kim Rawson at the breakfast buffet in his Man Utd shirt… the most laid back deputy managing director in the world.. lol

Hi Kath,

Well done Budapest, wicked…. Our first conference was to Monte-Carlo, a real eye opener!! Make sure you go international next they really are something. Kim is really a fantastic guy as are all the corporate staff we have met over the years. They truly understand that the more they help us the network to make money, the better it is for us all. No other company appears to work like that, it’s usually an us and them thing, not the case with Kleeneze!!

Betterware are a slightly different option. They have FREE catalogues, FREE marketing materials – basically no expenses. The management structure allows people who reach RSE level to earn upto £60,000 per annum.

Distributors also earn from any internet sales which occur in thier area.

Training is also free – support is free & ALL business stationary is free.

Interesting, I have been in Kleeneze since March 2006 yets its dam hard work BUT I see people following OUR VERY EASY TO FOLLOW SYSTEM and making money around their full time jobs, Of course the people at the top make the money after all when I have been doing this for 10 years I expect to be at the top too. Do I do the same job for the next 15 years and then find I am unble to retire because I cant afford to??or build up residual income. If you look back at some of the press clippings you will see people like Chris & Wendy Mason Paull (who are millionaires)featuring their £11K earnings YEARS AGO their business has grown and grown I belive they earn in the region of £60k every 4 weeks every body starts off the same with the same books and the same competition from other distributors, if you understand the system you do not deliver to every single house in the street after you build your customer base so there are many houses left unserviced I have at least 2/3 long term distibutors in my area but I have picked up my customers along the way and I retail around £1000 every 4 weeks which is all I want to do while I team build. I am not a lemming its only a numbers game which incidently I do for someone else every day in my 9 to 5 sales job.put lots of books out make money speak to lots of people build a team.it takes time to be succsessful ask Mr Dyson how many prototypes he made and how many no’s he had before he made his millions ask Richard Branson read his biography people who make it rich have alot of years of effort and heartache on the road to success the only difference is they DONT QUIT Kleeneze is only a NUMBERS GAME THATS IT !!!! its a very simple business people complicate it. If you want to be succsessful get in a good team like the one I am the support is fantstic try me on thinkbigplans06@yahoo.co.uk be in my team I am not a quiter

I would strongly recommend that if someone is going to join Kleeneze that they look very carefully at who their sponsor is. I would ensure I joined with someone who has been in Kleeneze for at least 5 years and has a proven success record.

If you join with somebody who has not been in very long – they will not be able to provide you with the help & support you need & they won’t have the knowledge to pass onto you.

If you are going to join – choose your sponsor very carefully – don’t go with the 1st person who comes along.

Hi

I have been involved with Kleeneze for nearly 4 years. Retail is simple and works and you can earn good money when you have your customer base.
upline are not always keen to tell you about the other time you will need, it is not all about just the 2 hours dropping and 2 1/2 hours picking up, you also have catalogue preperation,stragglers over 2 or 3 days,preparing the orders and putting the orders in, delivering the goods, going back if they are not in, paperwork. So the ponds per hour is not quite all it seems initialy.

Teambuilding is a different beast altogether, NO.1 join a team who can support you 100%. I joined a team with no knowledge of them and although some are great to be with and socialise I got no direct one to one support with the sponsoring.Lots of meetings to attend and books to buy, I have spent around £6,000 on sponsoring and my team at the moment consists of one, I have managemnt experience so it is not as though I do not understand people. The 1 in 50 preached by so many is wrong as I spoke to 1400 people between Jan and May (over the 90 day rule remember) and only six joined and of those five did not even bother to put the catalogues out.

I have had a team with a PSG of around £12-13,000 but they all left for one reason or another despite holding sizzles and giving them freebies and holding competions etc etc etc.

The leaders tend to use you when you are new and hold you up as a shining example to everyone as soon as you are not sponsoring then they drop you and move onto the next prey. Despite what people say everyone in Kleeneze is in it for themselves, I begged for support but no one was really interested and I was left to find out for myself.Lots of promises from people but no action, unless there cheque starts falling back.

I am sure the rewards are there if you are prepared to give up your life for 5-10 years, lets face it the rewards are there because it is not easy to sponsor people.

Remember 24,000 joined Kleeneze only 127 were left at the end last year………..

I make it that using the 1 in 50? that 1,200,000 minimum were spoken too. 1,176,000 rejected the idea and spoke to others also putting it down. with a working population of 40,000,000 in this country say 20% are looking for something which is probably way over the top then in six years they have all been spoken too.

That is why they are now looking further a field as this country has dried up, one of the leaders spends over £2,000 per period on sponsoring how many can do that?.

My advice is that as a Job it is fine and works well and I only work 3 days and earn around £1700 per month just from the retail, sponsor if you wish but do not be fooled that it is easy or cheap ,it is more likely to fail than work, if you can handle all the rejection then fine.

Good luck and well done to all those that succeed………..you deserve it.

You seem to have a good head on your shoulders Lolly. Like you say it’s just a numbers game, Some will, Some won’t, So what, NEXT! I have been involved with Kleeneze since July 2003 and built my business up to a £20,000 per period turnover, and my biggest cheque has been £2,148. I have not long returned from Budapest on an all expenses trip, staying at the fabulous Hilton Hotel.
Make it a goal to get on the next one Lolly, you are treated like Royalty.
Work hard, follow the system and most important, be teachable and the skys the limit. Kleeneze is a fantastic business and can give you the financial freedom to live your life to the full. I’ll see you on the beaches of the world.

Gary

All those that survive the year can become members of the elite ‘0.6% club’ that’ll motivate em!

Why Rob what a mega idea, did you tell everyone that you were a top salesman for ‘mcain’ before you started Kleeneze, i think that might have slipped your mind.

Ah now Gavin lad, that would be giving the game away. See people think i’m just some poor lad who worked in a shipyard and did a bit of avon.

Hi Gavin,
How is business going on in Holland?
I don’t hear anything anymore from the top-promotors overthere.

Hi all,
I have found all the comments very interesting but am surprised that the people who are not happy with Kleeneze are not trying Betterware.

As Sue states, everything you need is free! No £30 for a box of catalogues, no cost for ordering by internet.I’ve just recently started as a coordinator and am really pleased with how its going so far. I recruit the distributers (which is really easy because it doesn’t cost them a penny to join) to fill my designated area.

I get commission from their sales and also do about 450 of my own personal books per week as well. Now im not going to lie and say that i’m earning thousands every month or anything, and it is hard work because you have to see your distributers every week, and sort out your delivery (Currently £1500’s worth of stock each week)and so on.

Then there is your returns that have to be done each week and some paperwork involved. But it works for me. So maybe some of you unhappy ones should have a look at the Betterware website and at least find out about the roles available.
I hope this comment has been of some use to you.

Hi Peter

Holland is yesterdays news now, we are only interested in getting people signed up in germany and let the clogs look after themselves.
With a bit a luck I might get another porsche out of it.

Just to add my 2 pennies…

As has alreay been said, some people will work hard and do well, others won’t! I started my Kleeneze business 18 months ago, have achieved Gold status and qualified for Budapest which, as Gary said was awesome.

It is hard work, sometimes you don’t get the orders you’re expecting, most people you talk to won’t be interested, and some of those who join will quit…

…but – just look at the potential. The leaders in my leg of the business are bringing in tens of thousands of pounds per month from their mostly UK businesses. 15,500 distributors on the boosks at the moment I believe, while there are 7.5 million FLP agents worldwide – rom for expansion or what? (see http://www.earn-ez.com/blog/archives/19 for more details)

Yes it’s hard work, but I don’t want to look back in 20 years and say ‘I had a chance of making a fortune but I gave it all up because it was hard work’! If you don’t like hard work fine, do something else, but if you’re willing to put the effort in you can change your life with this business.

Hasn’t this pyramid selling company gone bust yet? Oh no just had their shares suspended , Gary , is that TT leased ?

Update on Holland – Just had their first Gold & there are a few more about to reach Gold – it gonna start rocketing soon.

Has anybody seen the new XMAS catalogue? Its not as hot as I would of liked – they are aiming for panic buyers & not doing the stuff which normally sells well in advance (bit strange to me – why bring out the XMAS cat so early if not interested in selling to the ppl who are looking to buy now). Anyway all in all it does look as good as ever.

Can’t wait till ppl start going Gold in Germany!! This biz is on the UP!!!

So what’s the latest on the share suspension then?

Anyone care to bring us up to speed?

For all those wanting updating on the share suspension issue. European Home Retail Plc have gone into liquidation due to it’s unprofitable Farepack Hamper company. Therefore European Home Retail Plc has sold off it’s profitable companies, including Kleeneze, Kitbag, and I Want One Of Those.com.
These three companies are now part of the Findel Plc group which are currently enjoying a turnover of over £600 million per year and have a very healthy position on the FTSE 100 index with share prices on the increase. Kleeneze has never been in better shape, and now with the backing of Findel Plc will grow from strength to strength.

Gary

hmm – Fairpak unprofitable? Why then was Fairpak used to fund all the other EHR companies?
http://www.hemscott.com/news/latest-news/item.do?newsId=37230924514315

Where did the funding come from for all the new companies & to pay for Kleeneze expansion?
Look here
http://www.channel4.com/news/special-reports/special-reports-storypage.jsp?id=3933

Hi all that are in Kleeneze

I have been in kleeneze now for a few weeks and found it such a relaxing job. It is so easy all I have to do is deliver catalogues, pick them up, put the orders in and deliver the goods.
I am a fully qualified driving instructor so I am an intelligent person. Unfortunately due to someone’s bad driving ( not one of my pupils ) I have now got a bad back which no longer allows me to sit in my car for long periods of time. As a driving instructor I was putting in about 90 hours a week so I really know what hard work is. I have decided to now put in as many hours as I can into kleeneze cause I really do feel the more you put in the more you get out. As a self employed driving instructor I know that it is hard to get a business off the ground. To become a driving instructor I had to take an intense training course which took around 8 months ( and this was good going ) I then had to buy a car and build up a business which took around 6 months to start earning a decent amount of money. So overall I had to work and train for a total of 14 months before I had a good income. With any business it is the more you put in the more you get out.

I have other distributors in my area but you just keep going as I had other driving instructors in my area ( we were all offering the same product )

I am hoping to start building my team up as soon as I can so that I can build my business and my income, but always knowing that it will take time and a lot of effort. I would like to get people in Germany to start in my team but have no knowlege of their language. Can someone give me some advice to get leads from for Germany.

By the way people are wrong when they say the company doesn’t work, everyone in kleeneze has worked hard to get to where they are. I am 26 years old and are willing to work all the hours in the day to make sure I will be retireing when I am 40.

I am now happy that I have a second chance to build a business for it to work for me.

Oh and just a comment about being a lemming. You mean a lemming as someone who follows in someone else’s footsteps. It is a proven system and if you follow the system it will work for you. So being a lemming in the respect isn’t really a bad thing.

I would rather be a lemming and being able to achieve a six figure income than a lazy fat b@#$%&rd that has only got a heart attack and hair loss to look forward to.

In reply to Johnny.

Yes, Profits from Farepack were used to fund expansion programs for EHR’s other companies including Kleeneze.

This is common practice where a parent company governs many companies in it’s group. Profits from one company can be used to fund another

Kleeneze was the biggest and most profitable company in the EHR group, and there was a massive expansion project in progress that needed investment.

The unfortunate thing that happened to farepack, was after most of the profits from this company were used to fund expansion projects in EHR’s other companies, Farepack’s bankers withdrew it’s funding. This left Farepack unable to operate as a company, causing it to collapse. EHR was then forced to sell off it’s assets and go into liquidation.

Kleeneze is now owned by Findel PLC, who is investing in it’s expansion program. The funding incidentely is coming from profits made from Findel’s other companies. Like I said, common practice with parent companies.

Kleeneze, will grow from strength to strength in the coming years, and anyone thinking about coming on board can do so with confidence.

What happened to Farepack was unfortunate, and down to EHR’s eagerness for expansion. EHR could see the massive potential in Kleeneze and pumped all it’s money into it, and Farepack paid the price.

You could say that EHR bit off more than it could chew!

As a Senior Distributor in Kleeneze, I am very excited about my future with the company, as we now have the financial backing of a company that turns over in excess of £1/2 Billion per year!

EHR’s loss, is Findel’s gain.

Gary

I picked up a Kleeneze catalogue (of an agent who’s just gone bust (I phoned
him), so he won’t mind), and on the back of the new Christmas edition, the
trading address is Farepak House, Westmead, Swindon. Hmmmmmmmmm.

Farepack House was the registered office of EHR group, which both Kleeneze and Farepack, along with a number of other companies used to be part of.

You must appreciate that the Christmas catalogue went into print whilst still past of the EHR group, hence their address on the back of the catalogues.

Kleeneze are no longer linked to EHR or the Farepack name any longer.

Kleeneze is now part of Findel PLC, as stated in my last correspondence.

Kleeneze as never been in better shape, and now with the financial backing of Findel, the future is looking very rosey indeed.

Gary,
Its not looking to good for the distributors in Germany & Holland is it? More Xmas’s ruined – more dreams shattered by Kleeneze.

As a senior distributor in Kleeneze I bet you were one of the ppl who always used to say how strong the company was & how good the management were – look what happened there. If this is the case – how can we really trust your judgement? btw – I hope you enjoyed your all expenses trip to Budapest – being treated like Royalty in the Hilton – I’m sure all Farepak customers will sleep better tonight for knowing that EHR was spending money in such a positive way, despite the fact that they knew they were struggling financially. It is a bit of a coincidemce that this money disapeared out of Farepak – & now we are told the European Expansion is to expansive & is losing to much money – put two & two together mate.

Gary,
Its not looking to good for the distributors in Germany & Holland is it? More Xmas’s ruined – more dreams shattered by Kleeneze.

As a senior distributor in Kleeneze I bet you were one of the ppl who always used to say how strong the company was & how good the management were – look what happened there. If this is the case – how can we really trust your judgement? btw – I hope you enjoyed your all expenses trip to Budapest – being treated like Royalty in the Hilton – I’m sure all Farepak customers will sleep better tonight for knowing that EHR was spending money in such a positive way, despite the fact that they knew they were struggling financially. It is a bit of a coincidemce that this money disapeared out of Farepak – & now we are told the European Expansion is to expensive & is losing to much money – put two & two together mate.

Hi there Joe! Just coming back to you on your comments.

Nobody is has sorry as me to see Kleeneze pull out of Germany and Holland, as we have distributors out there in our group also.

If you have any idea about business you would understand that any new venture needs massive investment to get it off the ground and takes years to start to see a profit. Expansion into Europe was a new venture. Findel have not taken this decision lightly. They see expansion into mainland Europe a little adventurous at this time, and feel that to continue investing into something that is not showing signs of gaining momentum irresponsible.

EHR had massive plans for expansion of the Kleeneze business and the finance for the expansion came from the companies bankers HBOS.

The reason EHR collapsed was HBOS pulled its funding, and called in the £28million owed.

The company had to go into liquidation, and sell off its companies to pay the debt.

There were no offers to buy Farepack, therefore all the money in the saving club were seized by HBOS.

EHR tried to prevent the Farepack money being seized, but HBOS got the money anyway.

At the end of the day, EHR got into financial difficulty due to the banks losing confidence in the company and calling in the money owed, including the savings of the Farepack customers.

So if you want to point the finger of blame, point it in the direction of HBOS. They have the money of the Farepack savers, not Kleeneze.

Gary

Kleeenze are staying in Europe

Read this

Kleeneze Premiers

I would like to thanks all Premiers who attended the meeting in Accrington today at such short notice. We found it thoroughly worthwhile and came away with some great ideas for the future.

We believe that it is essential that we concentrate on the core UK and Irish business to ensure that you enjoy the service that you rightly expect.
Nevertheless, we have listened to your views regarding Holland and Germany and we have been impressed by the passion and strength of feeling generated.
We agreed today to support the two countries with catalogues until December
2007 and a weekly delivery of product. We cannot commit to retain multi lingual capacity within the Kleeneze UK operation and we cannot provide PR or Dutch and German sales aids.

We firmly believe that at this time we have to concentrate on the UK but in doing so we are keen not to bar future international expansion. The solution we have come up with and agreed with the Premiers will mean that in the UK we have minimum distraction whilst still allowing the overseas Networks to continue. We are confident that by December 2007 the UK will be operating smoothly and, with your support, will once again have returned to growth. If at that time we have seen decent growth in Holland and Germany the issue can be revisited.

We are very much looking forward to the conference. We have definite positives to share with the whole Network. To that end we want as many attendees as possible. The more the merrier!!

Best wishes for Christmas and the New Year!

Patrick Jolly
CEO Findel

In my experience, no matter how good the product is, teams of sales people will always do better when they work together and help each other. This is an attitude thing, as much as it is the implementation of some good teambuilding ideas.

First of all apologies for not adding to the chat for some time. I actually became a bit disenchanted myself with the Kleeneze biz, after pinning all hope on it to succeed bigtime and with full faith recommending it to others.
Changed my tune of previous, I can tell you.
Kleeneze and it’s people are the nicest bunch in the world – so caring and considerate – so ready to help and commend…..
TO YOUR FACE.
The company will screw you over as soon as look at you, and upline are nothing more than a bunch of ‘hopers’ relying on their force fed lies to convince you to work damn hard to produce a further income for themselves.
They’re all desperate to feather their own nest with your hard work.
Just a few issues here as I cant be bothered right now to put it all down.

I pulled out of Kleeneze for a few months after my homosexual sponsor made very unwelcome advances towards me ( as a married man i wasn’t the only one a little upset by it! Senior exec above me offered to get me re-signed in to his group frontline (as the others downline from him had all told me lies about their compliance with me changing sponsors). My whole team were prepared to come with me and we met to discuss how we as a group had had no real help from above and just how the promises we had all been given were worthless.
We all decided to pull out for a time until truth was spoken and working relationships could be strenghened.
FIVE LEVELS went kaput!
Yep the work of my team was paying 5 levels above a monthly income and without us they all gave up cos they werent getting a penny. SED hijacked my websites to resell them to newbies for £70 each just so he could put petrol in his car!

Looking at the accounts and discussing it with smarter people than ourselves collectively we forsaw the enevitable bust up of Kleeneze way before Christmas and all decided to put on last orders, before moving sideways as it were. Seeing as how we were screwed by the company some of the team never paid for their last orders and clawed back a couple of thousand between them hee heeee.
I wasn’t so lucky- my order actually went missing and Kleeneze wanted to charge me interest for the period in which they took to sort it out!
Right, so out we all pulled with a plan to do things a little differently- in truth- if you do things the way my upline and the company advise , you cant fail to have a hard time!!!
Yep 5 levels relied on our efforts and all quit – the sed and bronze exec are now still skint and very little is heard from them even on kleeneze channels.
Lo and behold came Christmas and the Farepak ‘theft’.
Wow were we all glad that we’d had nowt to do with kleeneze! Consciences clear we all had a good Christmas from our sideline businesses and other networks- but the stigma still fell upon some of us as the people who had Conned the Nation!
Let me tell you now that the people that performed the busting of Farepk to save Kleeneze are of the same irk as the people earning any money in Kleeneze.
Heartless, liars, con artists, and muggers looking for a mug to line their pockets!
And the rest -poor fools- are the ones that work Hard – very hard for bugger all back after tax and shoe leather.
Kleeneze will suit you if you if you fit the above descriptions- again you’ll only earn any money if you are prepared to mimick the liars above you- fake it till you make it – but if you have a conscience you shouldn’t get involved.
If your already in it- then realise how precarious your financial independance is- and screw the company and screw ‘em big before the MD’s screw you. Kleeneze fails -it’s false accounting that doesn’t.
Now it’s true I didn’t meet everyone in Kleeneze…there are a few honest ones ( I was in it for a while) but of all those I had dealings with above me – not one was honest- all bullshitters, that for all their crap couldn’t get a living unless someone else ‘Gave’ it to them!
And lets be honest – distributors join for what they can get, not what they can give.

SORRY if I’ve upset anyone here that IS actually a decent human being I obviously didn’t know you from Kleeneze- The only decent ones I knew have left to succeed in other areas that don’t necessitate someone elses misery.
Resign now, do yourself a favour.
Worried about your customer base? – dont you’ll always get kleeneze products for your best customers if you know what your doing and often you’ll be able to provide better for less money.
Worried about losing what team you have? _ dont! they’ll respect you for leading them into something WAY BETTER

Interesting but nothing I didn’t work out from attending a recruitment meeting.
I went at the request of a very good friend of mine who felt very strongly that he’d stumbled across the holy grail – the thing that would earn him riches beyond his dreams. I was suspicious but went anyway. Several “Top Earners” gave us spiel like “I went to the Mercedes dealer and asked them for the most expensive Mercedes in the catalogue!” which nearly made me sick! I stopped taking notes within 15 minutes of this bull starting and seriously considered retiring to the bar.
Like other contributors to this blog have said, the whole thing spins on poor saps working their little arses into the ground so they can be milked by the big fish.
My collegue now works in another field and earns the same money as he used to get from Kleenezee without the ballache of the rounds and preparation. I myself am a company secretary and my partner is actually “managing director of her own company” like Kleenezee say you can be in their enticement bumf. She isn’t anything to do with Kleenezee and is very proud of it.
My friend acts as though he’s never heard of Kleenezee these days…..

Hello to all Kleeneze distributors.

Can anyone give me an answer as to why Kleeneze has to charge us the £7.50 for the internet usage? Although I have just started doing Kleeneze and believe that it works, I was just wondering why Kleeneze charges us £7.50 for using their website as I think it should be free as we are already giving them good business by being their distributors. Is it just another way for Kleeneze to take advantage of us distributors as we have no choice but to pay? I have joined other MLMs before but didn’t quite work out but this, being the thing that’s working for me, now charges me £7.50 per period while the others were just free but had the same kind of service and stuff.

Please can anyone enlighten me? This has just put me off in staying with Kleeneze as I think we are being ripped off by the company, instead of the company helping us. If the figures here are right when it was written there were 16000 distributors at some point multiply it at £7.50 that makes £120 000/period for Kleeneze and £200/period for me then I have to pay £7.50 which leaves me £192.50 but Kleeneze still gets £120 000.

Thanks.

Yeah, you will find that Kleeneze make money in everyway possible, especially from its very own distributors.

Be it fleecing the distributors through expensive phone numbers, or charging for every little piece of stationary (which you really need to run your business). Believe me, the internet charge is only the beginning.

I have recently done a survey of 50 distributors who started around the same time as me (4 years ago).

2 are still doing Kleeneze (but both are disappointed by the level of income). 27 left with a debt to kleeneze between £200 & £500. 11 left with a debt to Kleeneze between £500 & £1100.

Of the 48 who have left Kleeneze 43 said that they did not like the way Kleeneze made profits from its distributors by excessive charging for stationary etc.

Of the 48 who left, 34 said they were uncomfortable giving presentations using the income cheques provided by Kleeneze as they did not show true income (ie they do not show expenses, only income). Of these 34 ex distributors 29 said that what should really be shown to prespective distributors is at least one years full accounts of the perspective sponsor showing NET profit, NOT gross profit.

I have been doing Kleeneze for 4 months now, and I can see that it has great potential. My monthly earnings aren’t huge – but then I only spend a few hours each week doing it. I currently have 1 member in my team who consistently places an order every week (at the very least every 2 weeks). I am currently moving house at the moment (accross the country) and I will be able to continue the business from my new location. There aren’t many jobs that you can keep after you have moved 200 miles!

As I see it Kleeneze works for the people that are organised, persistent, and reliable. If you are willing to put your catalogues out, and then pick them up again consistently then you will make money. If you deliver flyers promoting the opportunity you will get leads. From your leads you will get people who join, who will then subsequently make money if they want to. I don’t see any point in lying to leads about the amount of work that is involved, because if they aren’t prepared to work hard, then I don’t want them in my team, as they won’t make money, and will just waste my time. I want people who will actively seek to make money, people who will ask me for help – not because they want a free ride, but because they want to learn.

As for Kleeneze charging for the use of their website, yes it might be a bit annoying, but it is a business expense! The need to purchase sales aids… You don’t have to get it from Kleeneze, so if you object to their prices buy it elsewhere.

I don’t see how the distributor’s can have a debt of between £200 and £1100 to Kleeneze??? Why do they owe them any money? Surely if they fail to return goods it is their own fault, and if they fail to deliver the goods to their customers then that too is their own fault.

From reading all the reviews on the internet it seems that people with have an amazing experience with Kleeneze, or they hate it. This is fine. If it isn’t for you then don’t continue doing it. If it is for you, then you are already working the business and succeeding and know that you will make money from something you enjoy doing. I know I do.

Yup I fell for the promises- the ‘you can do just like i’ve done’ – the ‘motivational stories and such rubbish. i spent 2 years building this business..and helping to destroy the lives of those who joined kleeneze. The only people that earn big are the ones that get lucky with their lies, those not sickenned by their own false promises, nor sickenned by the regurgitated claptrap from ‘levels above them’. I short out of 14 signers…none could make a go of this business…at best they broke even…and only made any money when they fooled several other poor witless gits to slave away for a pittance. I met with my team to see where we all stood and we decided to blow kleeneze…………………5 levels above us in the real losers group all earned nowt after that! Many dropped out – proving that the raw recruits earn the money for the dossers above them. Ahh and then klleneze went bust and needed farepak to bail them out. My customers, family and friends lost 6 grand through this- and the kleeneze scoundrels laughed at ‘how clever they were to still be afloat!. Unscrupulous working ethics describes it down to a T. Filthsleazy ruins lives. Hey— just for fun take a look at the two graphs kleeneze Love to show people of how your earnings will grow…..
Cunning;y concealed and never explained it shows how you’d have to join kleeneze at the age of 5!..work your socks off recruiting people to have a chance of even £40k pa by age 50.
What a swindle!
Suffice to say- if youre a complete bullshitter at the age of 5- you have a slim to No chance of earning a wage by the time youre fifty- if you can wait without eating or heating till youre 30 odd!
Those fantastic earners at young earners?- the exception rather than the rule- these are exceptional bullshitters, believeable liars, corrupt contrivers….or plain fools pretending to have made it big in an attempt to make it seem that kleeneze earned them some status…thats crap..mostly they ‘worked’ to pay the bills and lied to others-sold cheap plastic crap and regurgitated more fillandrous faeces to fool the masses.
Take a look at wghaat happnned to kleeneze in germany…and in holland….kleeneze is a business?…Dont make me laugh!

Well i am really surprised reading some of the comments going through this.

First for those that think Kleeneze is a rip scammimg it’s agents I suggest you go look at some other networks. I was sceptical about joining as about 8 years before whilst serving in Germany i joined Amway. Now I was in that for a year and probably made about £30 profit, mostly from me buying product.

Kleeneze works – it’s easy to do – BUT it’s even easier NOT to do. Who would figure there are so many lazy people out there. I have been in Kleeneze about 5 years, and we earn about £800 a month – we only joined for £400 a month so we love it. Networkers out there will agree from their calls that most people want to sit on the backsides doing nothing and becoming a millionaire in 28 days. GET REAL – it’s not out there. If you are determined, have a good work ethic and are willing to learn then Kleeneze works. If you are a lazy winger stay on the dole queue – don’t complain about us – at least we pay taxes that keep them in benefits……

The 1 and only micro whinge I have is the internet fee. I can understand this in the early days, but it’s not viable any more. I work in the IT/ISP/Internet industry for a domain name seller – they don’t need this any more. A lot of people use it to keep their accounts active without doing no retail. So make it optional, thos who want to keep theirs accounts active and do no retail. The rest of us just reatail to keep accounts active.

I have no doubts in my mind that Kleeneze will pick up in Germany – once the Germans become aware of the brand. Surely Avon is in Germany – same method of distribution, were just better

So Live Long & Prosper – we’ll never quit – we want a big business eventually to hand over to our kids and onto theirs. My only last wish is that we went straight into Florida so I could move out there….lol

Hi to all just to reply on some peps that say that kleeneze will try to make money any way thay can even by the teams (yes tahy will Kleeneze is a Company thats what companys do) well homp you all can see what im saying and good luck to any one just starting

Hi guys,
I’m currently a Gold Distributor on a part-time basis alongside my full-time job.
I take your points about all the bad things.
I appreciate that Kleeneze as a company can get better, as could most other companies out there.
I was once told that if you say that something is crap, then you need to have something else that is better in comparison.
All the people that are slagging Kleeneze off, do you have the decency to share with us what it is that you currently do and how much money you make?
I’d be interested to know how you’re doing in the job world or in any business you’ve undertaken, or maybe perhaps you’re unemployed.
So let me know so I can decide whether to follow in your footsetps.

Hey Tim,
Yeah I’ll tell you what I have been up since leaving Kleeneze over 6 years ago. When I left Kleeneze I also decided to give up my full time job at the same time as I wanted to run my own business and I did not want to be running a business in my spare time (Kleeneze just didn’t bring in enough money to be able to quit work within the 2 years I worked the business).

I decided that as I wasn’t terribly skilled I would start up a window cleaning business. I got a loan to purchase a good quality water fed system and a van. I concentrated nearly all effort on trying to get commerical customers, or residential blocks (ie buildings over 2 stories high). I did build a small residential customer base in the early days in order to have a stable income. Over the last 6 years I have built my business up to a point where the business now has 3 vans, each manned by 2 members of staff (it actually employs 5 window cleaners and 2 office staff), we clean windows for a variety of places including hospitals, high street chainstores, housing associations, hotels etc etc. The business in its own right makes a NET profit higher than the national average wage. This is after paying all staff members, including myself.

One of my members of staff is in training to be the general manager of the business, the intention is that in a couple of years time I will be able to take more of a back seat role, we will wait and see on that score – I’m not convinced I’m really ready to take a back seat.

Anyway, lets get back on topic, this thread is about Kleeneze, not cleaning windows. As you can see, I have built a successful business and it has taken alot of hard work (as well as a bit of luck here & there) one of the things that really annoys me about Kleeneze is the attitude that if people do not succeed in Kleeneze it is due to a lack of effort. This is complete bollocks, there can be any number of reasons why people don’t succeed. The reason I didn’t stick with Kleeneze was the fact that I recognised that it was very labour intensive, especially the team building side of the business. Anybody who says that the team building side is not labour intensive are either liars or they are very poor leaders. In the 6 years since leaving my part-time Kleeneze business and my full time job, there has not been one day I have worked as many hours as I did doing Kleeneze & work (this is not to say I haven’t had to work hard, i’ve had to work very bloody hard – its just that the work has been more productive).

Another thing which annoyed me about Kleeneze was the fact that people were always happy to show their income cheques, but very few were happy to show their NET income. In a way I can understand this as I’m not going to go around telling everybody what I earn, but then I don’t show make a big thing about my gross income either. Tim, as a Gold Distributor, do you show your income cheque from Kleeneze, or do you show your NET income?

Matty,
Thanks for your reply.
That was very informative. There may be a brighter future in the window cleaning business.
In actual fact Matty, my income cheque is about £1200 but I don’t show that to people. I show them cheques for £200-£500 because that is what the majority of people who reply to the adverts are looking for.
I agree with you. Team building is very bloody hard. I do believe though that once you have gone through that hard work, you honestly can retire. And that’s what I want. I want to have peace of mind when my bills arrive when I have stopped working.
The other attraction of Kleeneze to me was that I could do it in whichever bits of time I have left.
I work 56 hours a week in my full-time job and fitting something else around it, like window cleaning for instance, would not have been possible.
I believe that the salary most people get in their jobs is shocking.
I introduced a carer to the business 2 weeks ago. She works 20 hours a week in her job as a carer and comes out with £80 a week. I can honestly tell you hand on my heart she is earning £300+ a month with Kleeneze and that is turning her life around.
You see, I know that building a team may require a massive effort. But it’s been done. And without meaning it disrespectfully, I refuse to accept that others can do it but I can’t.
I’ll give it my best shot and see what happens.
All the best with the window cleaning Matty.
And, btw, nice to have a thread from somebody who can get his ideas and feelings across without the urge to be rude, cynical or argumentative.

Having done Kleeneze for almost 2 years, I take great offence at the accusations of laziness.

From a personal level, I worked Kleeneze for around 30-40 hours per week on top of my full-time day job. I don’t think you could say that I was lazy in any shape or form! I KNOW that my downline also worked extremely hard to try and make this thing work. All of us were encouraged to invest our meagre profits (and more) in advertising for recruits, travelling to the over-hyped meetings etc. .

The operational problems of running the business are too numerous to mention. Just a few – late deliveries, out of stocks, poor quality over priced goods, broken or missing items together with the many extra charges involved were amongst the many things that made it an unviable business. Extremely labour intensive and requires a lot of re-investment for lost catalogues etc.

Just to give you an idea, my best ever month for turnover produced a net profit of £5. Yes, for an entire month’s work!! The income cheques you see are NOT a true reflection of the money you actually get in your pocket. From that declaration of ‘income’ you have to deduct VAT , advertising, petrol costs, telephone , stationery, postage- all the normal overheads for a business. Of course, you are not told this at the time, you just see the big figure and are led to believe that it is actual, achievable net income.

You are not told any of this when you join.

I understand that if you just want to do a bit of retail, that’s fine but the general culture is to actively encourage people to recruit others – it’s the nature of the beast. I witnessed some VERY desperate recruiting by others. The last one I saw before I left was a young couple with three children under 5, no car and husband seriously ill and incapacitated, being reassured that they could easily make an extra £50-£100 per week. That really shocked me, they were set up to fail and they did. I was disgusted and it was the final nail in the coffin for me.

On the plus side, my time with Kleeneze introduced me to personal development, which I probably would never have discovered otherwise.

Network marketing is an excellent way to make money and I don’t have a problem with it per se.

I’m now with a NM company that pays me true residual income, with a distributor churn rate of less than 2% so my income is not downline dependent, people simply do not leave! My income is also not reliant on customer re-ordering, I see my customer once and that’s it, I receive income from my customers every month, whether I do any more work or not. Customer churn rate is also less than 2%, so it’s pretty much guaranteed income. There’s no catalogues, no stock to handle, no cash handling, extremely low overheads and minimal re-investment. It’s a very clean business.

So, for all of you who have had a bad experience with Kleeneze, don’t let this put you off network marketing altogether! There are some excellent, workable companies, you just have to do a bit of research before you hand over your registration fee.

For all of you who are still with Kleeneze, good luck.

Hi Tim
I am also a Gold distributor, but I am fully aware that you CANNOT retire and still hope to have an income unless you are very lucky.
Your P.S.G. has always got to be inplace and with the amount of people leaving the business on a monthly basis, that can be a constant struggle.
Its OK for a second income but I know active SEDs who struggle to keep their PSGs in place never mind somebody wanting to take a back seat.
Simon

Well! I was in Kleeneze way back in the 90,s and it worked for me IF I WORKED, But it id d take a helluva lot of effort and I couldn’t make big money>Now I have found anMLM business where the company builds it for me. !! Unbeliveable? That’s what I thought when I first heard it . But I did it anyway and I’m glad I did. Tryit , You’ll see.FREE!

Don’t you love MLM ppl, like Colin Thompsett, who are so proud of their op they have to hide it behind blind ads?

The laziness thing is always said by Kleeneze ppl. They say things like Kleenze works, its the ppl that don’t. What a bloody ignorant way to talk about ppl, many of whom have in fact put in many hours of hard work (making the ppl who are now saying these things about them money). It is sheer ignorance & it shows just what a distributors upline really think about their downline.

Believe me, your upline will not be your friend if you leave the business, they are conditional friends – they only want to be your friend for as long as their is a chance you will make them money.

How long are Findel going to hold on to the loss making Kleeneze, they have been dragging the company down since purchase even though they as much as closed European expansion and have asset stripped Kleenezes premises and staff and merging the operation in with theirs in Accrington.
They never wanted Kleeneze in the first place and bid to acquire the “Kit-Bag business” attached to Kleeneze and “I Want One Of Those”, the sale of the Bristol premises etc must have evened up the books a great deal….even at the first Kleeneze conference Patrick Jolly admitted this, but was willing to give Kleeneze a chance.

With the way their shares are dipping and the current economical climate, the axe will have to drop somewhere soon!

21st March 2007 £7.83p

02 July 2008 £1.46p

hi, I am a single mum & I’ve had a very bad experience working as a Kleeneze distributor. I’ve been with them 4 months, cleared profit £ .90 approx. Decided to do the honest thing and declare working for kleeneze to the benefits office. kleeneze refuse to provide me with a certificate of income- because I haven’t earnt enough. as a consequence, I am now recieving no benefit, no housing benefit and being evicted from my home .Kleeneze have not helped me to sort this out – all they have said to the is that I do not work for them. My account has been suspended because of arrears – which i have now cleared- and I’ve been told I cannot rejoin for 2 years. what about all the catalogues etc I stil have?
VERY DISAPPOINTED !!!!!

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Call me what you will, a failed distributor even, it doesn’t hurt. What hurts is the hours I have put into this business for the measly returns I have made. Less than a £1.00 per hour and I did work hard, a lot more than the 10-15 hours a week we are obliged to advertise, more like 10 hours a day. But truth be told it is a business and money can be made after substantial investment is made. I entered this venture to get an income after being made redundant. I didn’t want a business but that is what being a distributor is, what I really wanted (a livable income ),was lost in all the propaganda I was reading, or was it brain washing I was undergoing. Whatever it was, I failed because I was immune to the rhetoric I was hearing from my sponsor. I often think they are machines programmed to believe all they expound, but no slur on them or Kleeneze, it is the nature of the beast and I am glad to be a failed distributor because I feel far more enlightened in what really matters. Having a happy life, without Kleeneze’s indoctrination