The Scum Sucking DSA and The Hack Jon Taylor

Ty, I have been following and enjoying your “conversation” on the “mad” Mary Kay lady’s blog. She is “mad” in both senses of the word! I am curious as to your thoughts on the “responsibility” issue. Would you agree that it is the individual’s fault if they buy a lot of inventory and then do not sell it? The ladies on the above-mentioned blog (the “mad” ones) blame every direct selling industry in the world because THEY signed on the dotted line in Mary Kay, charged inventory on their credit cards and then did not work to sell it. They claim they tried, but also claim (vigorously) that it is the director’s fault and the company’s fault. Would you agree that they should take responsibility for their own actions? I believe that direct selling is definitely not for everyone, and if you try it and don’t like it, then that’s fine. But to blame everyone but yourself is wrong.

I am in total agreement with you and your opinion on Jon Taylor. As for the testimony referred to above, it is unfortunate that the woman’s family was so involved in Amway that they basically neglected their seven children. But again, I would say that the parents are at fault here. Granted–Amway/Quixtar is a terrible scam, I am not defending it. But after a certain length of time, one must admit defeat before neglecting their own children. Do you agree?

Faith,

I am not convinced that Mary Kay is an outright scam.

When people in Network Marketing outright lie to their team, it is a big problem. If a person is told the truth and they invest in a business and lose money, they should be responsible for it.

However if a person is told a lie and then buys in and loses a bunch of money, I see that as fraud.

Mary Kay Cosmetics has a marketing plan that works when it is done as it was designed to be done. As with any company, network or otherwise, there are those that exagerrate claims, but in my experience, I have heard the truth about how the company works AND if I had a question and no answer, I went to the website to look it up. There is also a consultant service phone number to call. In this day and age, when we use our computers to look up phone numbers and order pizza, I can’t imagine that someone would not use the same technology to get answers. The people I referred to above continuously blame the company for their failures in business, even while admitting that what they were told “didn’t seem right.” Wouldn’t you agree that if you felt that way, you would not act on the suggestions, but get answers for yourself? NOT use your credit card to order inventory?

Yes, the best case scenario, naturally, is the research on a company needs to be done before one signs up.
However, if one signs on in order to “replace a full-time pay for part-time work”, and continues to hear how easy it is, that the product/service sells itself, and all they hear from supposed “well-meaning” co-representatives is “hype”, there’s real deception going on here.
Looking up the company that you joined website, or calling its help-line is NOT going to help you learn that “you really should have been one of the first 100 consultants that only makes it in this business, so I’m sorry our claims for riches don’t apply to you”.
Everyone do your research both pro and con. To help, read finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/mlmsurvivorsclub/
and http://www.pinktruth.com.

I am not convinced that an MLM Survivors Club and a web site that appears to be out to make money on the backs of ex-Mary Kay women are good resources for information either.

Both Dr. Jon Taylor and Robert Fitzpatrick are absolutely correct. You are running some of the worse fraud in the world.

You come in two categories. First, premeditated crooks, liars and thieves; or secondly, “brainwashed” infectious carriers of a commercial virus doing little but parroting the lies and deception of those above as you spread this virus to friend, family and ultimately the world.

I am being sued for defamation to the tune of $10million dollars by two evil corporations operating pyramid fraud scams in Canada using this same 1-2-4-8 or 4 tier “matrix” (a B.S. jargon term coined by con-artists).

Their application for an interim injunction to shut down my non-profit organization’s website and shut me up was thrown out by the judge of the Superior Court on the basis they are prima facie a pyramid fraud in violation of both the Federal Competition Act and the Criminal Code.

Your law makers are either total “brainwashed” idiots or corrupted filth and being paid off by these fraudulent schemes as are the government officials in Nigeria who also ignore and supporting the mass defrauding of citizens world-wide for their own selfish interests.

You can read the 18 page thoughtful unambiguous and very clear Ontario Superior Court decision.

The conclusion in Utah is simple, as has been recognized for centuries “THE EMPEROR HAS NO CLOTHES!!!”

There are 100’s of thousands of victims of frauds yet to come. These will be your friends and families, fellow students, co-workers etc., and victims world-wide.

dave

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I just had a lengthy arguement with David Thornton He and I agree the companies like Treasure Traders are operating in fraud. However we part company as to main stream companies such as Amway and Mary Kay etc. There is a subtle but important difference between the two and it boils down to this. With each company you buy a product. With TTI, if thigs go sour you are left with an undervalued and useless product that is neither saleable to recoup your costs. Now…I am not recommending that anyone start off with $1200 worth of soap or make-up but even if you do so, and then quit the company, you have a product that is saleable and /or useable. Mind you, that’s a lot of soap but you still have value. Overpriced??? possibly……. but so is bottled water such as Evian in that sense. This is an equity argument and that boils down to the legal argument of QUID PRO QUO. Value for value. I have one axe to grind with Amway and that is the way they sell books and tapes throughout the downline at a mark-up and this is pumped upline as profit to the Directs , Emeralds and Diamonds. That is wrong. We should work to expose the real crooks in Ponzi schemes and possibly some reform of the methods companies use to misrepresent themselves but broad brushing is equivalent of witch hunting. I Know plenty of women who subsidize the family budget selling some vitamins or candles or what-not. Are we to take that away from them because the mathematics of recruiting say that ” IF!!!! 2 got 2 got 2 got 2 got two for 30 days the whole world would be saturated” That’s a pretty big” if” that has never happened in the 50 years, with probably several thousand mlm companies in existence. It reduces the argument to the point of absurdity . IF !!!!! I thought that would happen I would sign up in 100 companies tomorrow and take over the world. Let’s say you take Amway down through the legal channels. Is this a victory??? Well there are plenty of corporate companies that have powerful political connections that would be lining up to help. Problem is, these same corporations have been abusing us and the planet a lot longer than Amway has…..so what have you really achieved? I congratulate you on your victory in exposing TTI but now that you have a little soapbox….be careful not to become like every other dictator that gets one. Choose your battles with a broad wisdom and no exactly what the outcome you are attempting to achieve is. As they say, the road to hell is pave with good intentions.